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		<title>Comment on Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update by Staying longer than intended on VWP, what are the consequences?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staying longer than intended on VWP, what are the consequences?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update by AccentLegal</title>
		<link>http://www.ailaslipopinionblog.org/2011/01/03/visa-waiver-program-litigation-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>AccentLegal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not that Mr. Manning needs me to defend him, but I think HA&#039;s comments are off base.  I did not get the sense that Mr. Manning was defending the government&#039;s decision in the Bradley case, rather he was just reporting what happened, and suggesting that the decision sheds some light on what has been a murky issue (see Momeni v. Chertoff (9th Cir 2008) involving adjustment of status for individuals who have arrived under the visa waiver program.  I would prefer that Mr. Manning stay on our side rather than &quot;go work for the government&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that Mr. Manning needs me to defend him, but I think HA&#8217;s comments are off base.  I did not get the sense that Mr. Manning was defending the government&#8217;s decision in the Bradley case, rather he was just reporting what happened, and suggesting that the decision sheds some light on what has been a murky issue (see Momeni v. Chertoff (9th Cir 2008) involving adjustment of status for individuals who have arrived under the visa waiver program.  I would prefer that Mr. Manning stay on our side rather than &#8220;go work for the government&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is your client in lawful status, just a status, or in unlawful status?  Context counts. by Adam Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.ailaslipopinionblog.org/2011/01/04/is-your-client-in-lawful-status-just-a-status-or-in-unlawful-status-context-counts/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are important cases and the decisions are important to become familiar with. The oral arguments from Samirah v. Holder add a lot of &quot;color&quot; to Judge Posner&#039;s opinion in the case. He clearly is bothered by government’s refusal to agree that having a pending application for adjustment of status is “status.”
 
There were two things that I wanted to share. In El Badrawi v. DHS, I am surprised that the Department of State actually revoked the visa while Mr. El Badrawi was still in the United States when 9 FAM 41.122 N3 specifically says that “under no circumstances” should this be done. I wonder if the arrest by ICE was somehow premised on the visa revocation?
 
The other point that is interesting is that while DHS has rejected equating a period of authorized stay, POSABAG with status, I can tell you that in at least one case an I-485 was approved based on their POSABAG being regarded as status. When USCIS asked for proof of status, I explained that (1) The statutes passed interchange the terms “period of stay authorized by the Attorney General” and “status.” (2) Congress has been doing this interchange for years and it is presumed, pursuant to Lorillard v. Pons quoted by the AAO, to know of the existing administrative interpretation of POSABAG to the contrary. Therefore, if Congress actually agreed that POSABAG is not status and status is not POSABAG, then Congress would have stopped using them interchangeably.  And (3) the only statement that POSABAG is not in fact “status” comes from the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence, which is itself not binding.

By noting the &quot;Use&quot; paragraph from the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence, noting that in Broadgate, USCIS (thru counsel) explained that if a memo is issued without a “P” it is not binding despite incorporation into the AFM, the statement in the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence that POSABAG is not “status” also must not be binding because this Neufeld memo also was issued without a “P.” It worked and adjustment was granted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are important cases and the decisions are important to become familiar with. The oral arguments from Samirah v. Holder add a lot of &#8220;color&#8221; to Judge Posner&#8217;s opinion in the case. He clearly is bothered by government’s refusal to agree that having a pending application for adjustment of status is “status.”</p>
<p>There were two things that I wanted to share. In El Badrawi v. DHS, I am surprised that the Department of State actually revoked the visa while Mr. El Badrawi was still in the United States when 9 FAM 41.122 N3 specifically says that “under no circumstances” should this be done. I wonder if the arrest by ICE was somehow premised on the visa revocation?</p>
<p>The other point that is interesting is that while DHS has rejected equating a period of authorized stay, POSABAG with status, I can tell you that in at least one case an I-485 was approved based on their POSABAG being regarded as status. When USCIS asked for proof of status, I explained that (1) The statutes passed interchange the terms “period of stay authorized by the Attorney General” and “status.” (2) Congress has been doing this interchange for years and it is presumed, pursuant to Lorillard v. Pons quoted by the AAO, to know of the existing administrative interpretation of POSABAG to the contrary. Therefore, if Congress actually agreed that POSABAG is not status and status is not POSABAG, then Congress would have stopped using them interchangeably.  And (3) the only statement that POSABAG is not in fact “status” comes from the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence, which is itself not binding.</p>
<p>By noting the &#8220;Use&#8221; paragraph from the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence, noting that in Broadgate, USCIS (thru counsel) explained that if a memo is issued without a “P” it is not binding despite incorporation into the AFM, the statement in the Neufeld Memo on Unlawful Presence that POSABAG is not “status” also must not be binding because this Neufeld memo also was issued without a “P.” It worked and adjustment was granted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update by HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Manning - By relying on the gov&#039;t response for your facts, you are making an assumption - that the gov&#039;t&#039;s assessment of the facts are entirely accurate and more importantly, complete.   You then proceed to base your opinion on these inaccuracies and incomplete statements of fact and come to a conclusion ultimately agreeing with gov&#039;t&#039;s actions and final decision. I realize this is only a blog and should not be relied on for substance, but as AILA Amicus Chair,you, more than others, should be more careful and scrupulous in what you post.  

Furthermore, for someone who once said, &quot;I don&#039;t have the expertise in VWP/AOS matters to comment on briefs&quot; (paraphrasing), you seem to write awfully more blogs on this particular topic than those who have actually litigated this issue in federal courts. 

Lastly, I realize AILA has to be diplomatic with the government officials in Washington to get things accomplished.  But when you defend the government&#039;s actions in this case, you are simply an advocate for the government. Perhaps, you should go work for the government, which will then perfectly explain your opinion here.

My two cents...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Manning &#8211; By relying on the gov&#8217;t response for your facts, you are making an assumption &#8211; that the gov&#8217;t's assessment of the facts are entirely accurate and more importantly, complete.   You then proceed to base your opinion on these inaccuracies and incomplete statements of fact and come to a conclusion ultimately agreeing with gov&#8217;t's actions and final decision. I realize this is only a blog and should not be relied on for substance, but as AILA Amicus Chair,you, more than others, should be more careful and scrupulous in what you post.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, for someone who once said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t have the expertise in VWP/AOS matters to comment on briefs&#8221; (paraphrasing), you seem to write awfully more blogs on this particular topic than those who have actually litigated this issue in federal courts. </p>
<p>Lastly, I realize AILA has to be diplomatic with the government officials in Washington to get things accomplished.  But when you defend the government&#8217;s actions in this case, you are simply an advocate for the government. Perhaps, you should go work for the government, which will then perfectly explain your opinion here.</p>
<p>My two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update by Tweets that mention AILA Slip Opinion Blog » Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention AILA Slip Opinion Blog » Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update by AILA Slip Opinion Blog » Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update &#124; Penny Stocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>AILA Slip Opinion Blog » Visa Waiver Program Litigation Update &#124; Penny Stocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Awhile back, we did a round up of litigation taking place under the Visa Waiver Program. The post is available here. In one of the cases we blogged on, the petitioner sought Supreme Court review. (AILA Amicus guidelines for assistance &#8230;&#013;&#013;View full post on visa &#8211; Google Blog Search [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Awhile back, we did a round up of litigation taking place under the Visa Waiver Program. The post is available here. In one of the cases we blogged on, the petitioner sought Supreme Court review. (AILA Amicus guidelines for assistance &#8230;&#013;&#013;View full post on visa &#8211; Google Blog Search [...] </p>
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		<title>Comment on A Visa-Waiver Round-Up by rgibbs</title>
		<link>http://www.ailaslipopinionblog.org/2010/06/07/593/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>rgibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recent ESTA change, eliminating the I-94W which as I recall had an explicit waiver on the back (and a signature?), raises more serious notice/waiver issues.  Check the ESTA registration online process to see what/how the notice there works.  Note that agents can submit the ESTA application, but the agent has to confirm that he has told the actual applicant about the waiver of rights provision.  Is this sufficient to make out the hearing waiver?  Moreover, the ESTA registration is good for two years, not something the applicant would do just prior to an entry.  Query whether CBP if pushed could come up with documetnation from the ESTA process to confirm that the person (or an agent? if so who?) actually received the notice and agreed to give up their rights?  What if the agent says he lied and did not actually tell the applicant his rights were waived?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent ESTA change, eliminating the I-94W which as I recall had an explicit waiver on the back (and a signature?), raises more serious notice/waiver issues.  Check the ESTA registration online process to see what/how the notice there works.  Note that agents can submit the ESTA application, but the agent has to confirm that he has told the actual applicant about the waiver of rights provision.  Is this sufficient to make out the hearing waiver?  Moreover, the ESTA registration is good for two years, not something the applicant would do just prior to an entry.  Query whether CBP if pushed could come up with documetnation from the ESTA process to confirm that the person (or an agent? if so who?) actually received the notice and agreed to give up their rights?  What if the agent says he lied and did not actually tell the applicant his rights were waived?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Padilla v. Kentucky &#8211; Implications of SCOTUS Insights for Ill-advised Immigrants by Matthew Kolken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Kolken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Friday I was able to use Padilla for the first time to fend off the removal of an individual charged with an an aggravated felony.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hopefully this will be the first of many to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Friday I was able to use Padilla for the first time to fend off the removal of an individual charged with an an aggravated felony.</p>
<p>Hopefully this will be the first of many to come.</p>
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		<title>Comment on BIA Round Up: Recent Cases by Bennions</title>
		<link>http://www.ailaslipopinionblog.org/2010/02/24/bia-round-up-recent-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your analysis of Matter of Diaz and Lopez your first reference to 245(i) is a typo, reading 254(i)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your analysis of Matter of Diaz and Lopez your first reference to 245(i) is a typo, reading 254(i)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bayo: A Constitutional Victory by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the 7th Circuit was absolutely right that a claim of a due process violation will not prevent removal if there is no prejudice, I believe it misapprehended the issue by holding that Bayo was prejudiced by not being provided his VWP waiver in a language he understood.  That was not (or at least should not have been) his claim of a due process violation at all. The due process violation was that he wasn&#039;t provided a hearing before an Immigration Judge to determine if he was removable. The government&#039;s claim he waived that right  was simply wrong. He didn&#039;t waive the right because his waiver wasn&#039;t knowing. But that doesn&#039;t mean the due process violation here was not being able to read the waiver in a language he understood. The due process violation was not being provided a hearing before an Immigration  Judge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Far from being a &quot;constitutional victory&quot; the implication of the 7th Circuit&#039;s reasoning is to vitiate the long held principle that persons in the United States have a constitutional right to a hearing before being removed. While that right can be waived, in Bayo, the 7th Circuit has essentially made the waiver a legal fiction by allowing non-waivers to be deemed waivers even though they do not satisfy the traditional requirements for the same. By doing so the 7th Circuit has opened the door to Congress to eliminate removal hearings altogether. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, under the logic of this decision a VWP nonimmigrant whose name was forged to the waiver by a CBP officer could nevertheless be removed without a hearing because even though he was deprived of due process by not being permitted the opportunity to decide whether or not to sign the waiver, he was not prejudiced by that due process violation because had he refused to sign the waiver he would not have been admitted. Indeed, Congress could simply amend the INA to deem the waiver signed by anyone entering as a VWP nonimmigrant and, again, under the rationale of Bayo, the &quot;waiver&quot; would enforceable against all VWP nonimmigrants because, even though it is a due process violation for them to be deemed to have signed a waiver they may never even have seen, the violation is harmless because otherwise the VWP nonimmigrants would not be admitted. And, to carry the matter to its reducto ad absurdum, Congress could deem such waivers made by all persons seeking admission in the future in any status and thereby abolish removal hearings altogether, and its actions would still pass Constitutional muster under Bayo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short, the Bayo decision reflects a grave misapprehension of the nature of the due process violation that the respondent suffered and the prejudice arising from it. The due process violation was the failure to provide him with a hearing, not the failure to translate the waiver to him in a language he understood (although that may have been a due process violation as well). The fact that the waiver wasn&#039;t effectively translated to him should have meant the DHS cannot be allowed to use the &quot;waiver&quot;  as a defense to the due process violation because, not being, knowing, it was not a &quot;waiver&quot; at all, regardless of any issues of prejudice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe practitioners who face a similar issue in the future should point out this gaping hole in Bayo&#039;s logic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Michael E. Piston&lt;br /&gt;Attorney at Law&lt;br /&gt;Piston &amp; Carpenter P.C.&lt;br /&gt;4000 Livernois Ste 110&lt;br /&gt;Troy, MI 48098&lt;br /&gt;248-680-0600&lt;br /&gt;After Hours: 248-686-2168&lt;br /&gt;Fax: 248-680-0627]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the 7th Circuit was absolutely right that a claim of a due process violation will not prevent removal if there is no prejudice, I believe it misapprehended the issue by holding that Bayo was prejudiced by not being provided his VWP waiver in a language he understood.  That was not (or at least should not have been) his claim of a due process violation at all. The due process violation was that he wasn&#39;t provided a hearing before an Immigration Judge to determine if he was removable. The government&#39;s claim he waived that right  was simply wrong. He didn&#39;t waive the right because his waiver wasn&#39;t knowing. But that doesn&#39;t mean the due process violation here was not being able to read the waiver in a language he understood. The due process violation was not being provided a hearing before an Immigration  Judge.</p>
<p>Far from being a &quot;constitutional victory&quot; the implication of the 7th Circuit&#39;s reasoning is to vitiate the long held principle that persons in the United States have a constitutional right to a hearing before being removed. While that right can be waived, in Bayo, the 7th Circuit has essentially made the waiver a legal fiction by allowing non-waivers to be deemed waivers even though they do not satisfy the traditional requirements for the same. By doing so the 7th Circuit has opened the door to Congress to eliminate removal hearings altogether. </p>
<p>For example, under the logic of this decision a VWP nonimmigrant whose name was forged to the waiver by a CBP officer could nevertheless be removed without a hearing because even though he was deprived of due process by not being permitted the opportunity to decide whether or not to sign the waiver, he was not prejudiced by that due process violation because had he refused to sign the waiver he would not have been admitted. Indeed, Congress could simply amend the INA to deem the waiver signed by anyone entering as a VWP nonimmigrant and, again, under the rationale of Bayo, the &quot;waiver&quot; would enforceable against all VWP nonimmigrants because, even though it is a due process violation for them to be deemed to have signed a waiver they may never even have seen, the violation is harmless because otherwise the VWP nonimmigrants would not be admitted. And, to carry the matter to its reducto ad absurdum, Congress could deem such waivers made by all persons seeking admission in the future in any status and thereby abolish removal hearings altogether, and its actions would still pass Constitutional muster under Bayo.</p>
<p>In short, the Bayo decision reflects a grave misapprehension of the nature of the due process violation that the respondent suffered and the prejudice arising from it. The due process violation was the failure to provide him with a hearing, not the failure to translate the waiver to him in a language he understood (although that may have been a due process violation as well). The fact that the waiver wasn&#39;t effectively translated to him should have meant the DHS cannot be allowed to use the &quot;waiver&quot;  as a defense to the due process violation because, not being, knowing, it was not a &quot;waiver&quot; at all, regardless of any issues of prejudice.</p>
<p>I believe practitioners who face a similar issue in the future should point out this gaping hole in Bayo&#39;s logic.</p>
<p>Michael E. Piston<br />Attorney at Law<br />Piston &amp; Carpenter P.C.<br />4000 Livernois Ste 110<br />Troy, MI 48098<br />248-680-0600<br />After Hours: 248-686-2168<br />Fax: 248-680-0627</p>
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